The first weekend of November 2023, 4thWaveNow and Transgender Trend founders Denise and Stephanie met in person for the first time at the Genspect:The Bigger Picture conference.

Though they’ve been in touch since 2015, Stephanie and Denise had a lot more to say when they finally got to spend time together in the mile-high city. They talked politics, gender and–best of all–cemented their relationship as friends and colleagues as they hiked the Rockies and talked nonstop.

Since a video is worth way more than 1000 words, we’ll let you see what they had to say in this interview recorded when they were together at the Denver conference.